不喜欢AI绘图用如下方式屏蔽:

If you don't like AI generation, please use the following method:

my home>my tag>空格输入/Space input [other:ai generated]>勾选/tick hidden>save

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This is generated by AI + PhotoShop, very poor quality, looks like e-waste.

If you wish better quality works, please ask Rindou(https://ouo.io/yl2a9) to complete Matai Toshi as soon as possible and please respect his original creation.

由AI + PS修的,质量差的电子垃圾.

如希望质量更好的作品请去找竜胆(https://ouo.io/yl2a9)催稿,并尊重他作为原画创意的付出.

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与其说AI模型重要,不如说反复编辑重要.

Rather than saying that the AI model is important, it is better to say that repeated editing is important

至于AI是否能取代画师,如果是我理解的那个乌烟瘴气的绘圈约稿,对大多数人画画来说多半是毁灭性的,毕竟画个傻逼头像要800,现在点点就有.

不过他们主营业务也不是画画,是挂人撕逼和卖课,能想象到之后应该会迎来主营业务的持续增长.

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最近看了一些评论,有些观点挺傻逼的.暴论下,听得懂听,听不懂算了.

首先,如果真想学画画,先退出绘圈.

其次,就艺术来说,其实没有学画画这个科目.本质是一个叫造型的专业.

下分为国油版雕壁几个领域.这些领域背后真正要学的是造型.

然后学习造型这个专业,目的是为了做艺术这项工作.

画画只是学造型一个训练方法.和想健身要举哑铃差不多.

学造型是做艺术的充分条件.那么做艺术肯定不仅仅只有学造型.

还有要学的是造型的成因原理,一个叫艺术史,另外一个叫艺术哲学.

学习的是从古至今的几代思想,什么是美,美是怎么迭代的,人类对于造型的探索是怎么演进的.

为什么说学造型是做艺术的充分条件,不是充要条件.因为从马塞尔·杜尚开始把传统艺术砸了,现代艺术就不需要专业,观众也是创造者.就像天主教到新教,人人都能解释圣经了.

杜尚搞的小便池也是艺术品,所以换个角度说,你是个大傻逼只要有观众认可你的思想,也能叫自己艺术家,AI做的东西也是艺术,有艺术价值,这个源头要感谢下杜尚,打破了传统艺术家又是选手又是裁判的垄断.让艺术的定义多元化.

就传统艺术标准来说,现在大部分画师的造型能力,都谈不上艺术家,就像一个老举哑铃不练腿的不能叫健身.

就现代艺术标准来说,你拉屎吃面都能当艺术,网红去健身房摆拍也叫健身,什么AI没灵魂不是艺术是很扯的.

现代艺术本来就是让所有人都有表达自己想法的权利,你去看看杜尚买的公厕小便池都是艺术品.

至于AI这个工具,能表达你的想法你就用,只会抽卡盲盒就别瞎鸡巴用,出完图自己再精进构图修图也算有用,不是多高尚或者多难的玩意.

想做出传统意义上有价值的东西,不管用啥都是对造型能力的理解.AI解决不了你傻的问题,人傻没审美,啥他妈也不好使.

哪怕画触手低俗图,也是有原理思路的: [一迅社] 触手の描き方 [中国翻訳] http://dl.hentaiknight.work/?l=e-hentai/g/1465957/265f18337e/

说什么人类没未来了,以后没艺术了更是傻逼,什么画师不画画,以后创新就没了,真他妈当自己有创意啊,以为二次元这点东西就是艺术界全貌了?

按照传统艺术定义艺术在你妈没生你的时候都死了,按照现代艺术定义艺术在世间万物活的好着呢,用不到瞎他妈瞎逼操心.

还有说什么AI是拼尸块的这种傻逼,希望别今天骂拼尸块,明天变成赶尸人,后天变成恋尸癖.

目前人类的本体论对于AI的认知毫无进步.神经网络是仿生学,不解决本体论,所以任何涉及到本体论的批评深入后,都会一巴掌打回自己脸上.

说人话是,觉得AI拼尸体的傻逼,又担心AI抢工作,这不就是说你怕被傻逼抢工作么,那他妈你自己连傻逼都不如么?

抢工作就抢呗,行业毁灭就毁灭呗,平时累的和狗一样,毁灭了就能躺下来歇着么? 不行,那为什么不行呢? 不工作谁养你呢? 为什么必须工作才能挣钱呢?这个问题是AI的问题么? 抵制AI能解决的了么? 你们那么多逼逼的真在乎画画嘛？说来说去不还是钱的事吗?
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对外行来说还是很不错的。

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除了第十，十五张的小雪画的有明显的问题，其他的好像没什么

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輪到雪女的繪和龍膽的圖被看上了www

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This absolutely is AI generated, just edited to look better. AI really likes to take the term “slime” and transform body parts or the entire body besides the head into a color of slime. Very common. Also on page 24, a random tentacle penis is formed out of nothing, another thing the AI really likes to do.

Just here to stop misinformation on the internet. (Luckily misinformation and lying doesn’t exist on the internet, so my work is basically done)

Last edited on 03 March 2023, 14:29.

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抛开所谓的“剽窃画风”论点以外
AI作图最大的好处无疑就是弥补了许多遗憾
很多时候我希望某个画师来画某个角色··可是这几乎不可能实现··而AI就可以代替他/她
我觉得这点真的蛮好的

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好啊，只要不仔细纠结细节，其实ai也挺好的，毕竟有些图不用ai你永远也见不到

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好了，以后不需要竜胆了。

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龙胆这摸的要死的家伙不给他点压力不行，必须用ai狠狠的制裁他

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龙胆让你再摸😠

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想问你下AI的魔咒用的啥啊？？龙胆不出我都想自己产图了

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First 10 looks like Rindou-punopupu mix

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龙胆：6

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@tentacle_aaa: Rindou's had four years now to complete that manga and all we've gotten are breadcrumbs from his Twitter and Fantia pages. I don't think that pestering him to get it done will have much of an effect at this point.

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这AI确实把竜胆内味给跑出来了

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@Denojab Thanks for the reminder, I fixed 24.

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竜胆看了這個後應該真的會 嚇破竜胆 ............ ( 驚 )

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对于画师来说这还真的蛮悲哀的，自己钻研多年的绘画风格直接被ai使用者剽窃走了.....

emmmm

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好耶！龙胆摸鱼的代价！哼哼哼！

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The big advantage of AI: if you have multiple fetishes at the same time, you can have all of them together... Now, can we have some pink or blue hair please? Or some pixie cut hair? 🤣🤣🤣

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Disgusting

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You can also tell it's AI by the fucked-up fingers. I think there's like 6 on each hand in pic 44 lol.

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龙胆这厮，已经不是一般的刁民了，一定要出重拳才行！还请卡卡狠狠地对龙胆施以AI的制裁！

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虽然是AI，但龙胆确实是这画风，而且熟女太合我胃口了。所以龙胆不用再联系我了😂

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倒逼竜胆大師更新XD

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就是龙胆本人！

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龙胆两大买点就是画风和故事，现在画风有了快用ai催更故事！拖了n久的魔胎7！下水道！鲶鱼！

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Number one is a pretty decent Sayaka fanart. Others... debatable... Especially when any hands are visible. The AI seems incapable of handling Sakuya well, which might seem weird at first glance, until you realize that it has issues differentiating between her skin, her leotard, her gloves and her thigh-high boots.

That said, it's pretty obvious that all of these are AI generated with some edits in some cases, even without the pre-warning. Very little of it would pass muster, especially for Rindou fans that have been following their work for a long time.

More importantly though... this shows a lot about the terrifying and ultimately inevitable potential of this technology.

The official launch for this tech has been less than a year ago... and people can already use it for stuff like this. Give it another few years, and I wouldn't be shocked if people started making accurate artist based AIs. Consent wouldn't matter. It will take more than 4-5 years before legislation will be able to deal with this sort of thing... and it will have a massively hard time dealing with it, because realistically speaking, using AI to immitate an artist is no different than taking the time to train yourself to imitate an artist, just way faster and easier.

It's possible that the future for artists will be to train their own AIs to do the basics, and then use their skills to touch up the end result, fixing what the AI can't. That's something the average person that can't get their hands on an AI will never be able to achieve.

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我超，龙胆活都被ai抢了，不过这下有的冲了

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NovelAI画色图，chatGPT写小黄文，不听话还摸鱼的竜胆已经不需要了🥰

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龙胆你可以去s了，我们已经不需要你了，来♂黑井，我们一起创造新的魔胎都市吧！

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能看到竜胆紧身衣触手配上fate可真是太劲爆了

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给龙胆一点小小的AI震撼

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竜胆加上武内脸竟然这么和谐，冲了！

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幸好我是享受技术扩散的蛮夷

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如果能在配上產卵的橋段就更棒了呀🥵

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@ XisaleX
You should see an ophthalmologist because there are NO ANY Optional Typo works in the training set.

If you are not colorblind, you should find that the high light and shade is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from Optional Typo.

Last edited on 21 March 2023, 17:18.

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I'm ready. Give me my headset, strap me in, and subject me to hundreds of hours of this. I've waited too long for more Rindou and Ishimura content.

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need more of this shit

rindou 2902
nakamura regura or regura on tw
jin or mtsp
oninoe
suerte
milk factory
meion
and some other artist that just become a history cz they are busy with life rather than art.

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龙胆又在摸鱼了，请圣上继续制裁他啊。

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再摸下去就要订阅AI辣 XD

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@ five and seven

绘画最重要的核心壁垒不是画风,版权著作权不保护画风.

Last edited on 09 April 2023, 17:40.

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挺好的，竜胆老师最近的作品都是只蹭蹭不进去，有点无聊

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some of the comments in this make me sad, ai will never replace traditional art to me, at least there's passion in the drawings made by actual artists, i don't care how long it takes for an artist to draw, i will keep supporting them in any way i can

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reduce amount of fluids they are like censoreship.
and fluids can be easy edited in. but not out.

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As much as I hate the AI art, this looks very lewd. But the penetration seems weird and unnatural to me

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可以发一下关键词吗 我个人觉得这个ai画的还是很不错的

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龙胆再摸鱼就变成咲夜狠狠地被触手玩弄

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我觉得ai就和3d模型、ps、sai一样都是辅助绘图的工具，它们的出现让画画更简单了，这是ao的。
但目前因为ai绘图出现的关于版权和低创的问题仍然需要观望，毕竟它是一个新诞生的工具，从来没有一开始就绝对完美的工具，每个成熟的标准都是在人和工具相互磨合的过程中摸索出来的，没人用那就更找不到标准和规则了。（当然了和现实存在的人有关的那种类似ai换脸什么的就完全不是一种性质的问题）
我讨厌ai低创，因为它确实把人的创意廉价化的这个过程非常直观地摆在我面前，ai比那些用笔画画的人产出多了很多很多倍，平均质量也有保证（虽然还是有不如意的地方，但例如po主这样亲自修改就能解决问题，这也有心血在里面的）。
对我而言，这种人被机器取代的恐惧是很容易理解的感情。国内的舆论形象上的那个所谓“绘圈”，大家也都知道，其实是一个偏感性的群体，对于这个过程必然是有很大摩擦的，这是大趋势下的小趋势。
未来各行各业都会有这样的摩擦，我们要充分认识到这一点，也应该做好准备，多学技能多学知识，才能在未来更好地保住那些被取代的技术。我们在这个加速变革的时代有义务告诉未来的人，这些技术被淘汰是因为时代的选择，而不是因为它们不好。在人类不再需要功利和效率，每一个人都可以自由地享受生产与劳动的时代，它们会在那一天再度焕发活力，而我们需要为那一天做准备，哪怕我们看不到成果，但这也是非常有意义的事情。
ai只是工具，它能代替那些廉价的工作，但任何工作到最后依然需要一个大活人在那里付出抽象劳动，这是任何形式的工具都改变不了的。
虽然p站上画得不好看的人大有人在，不过我也不想给他们画画的热情泼冷水，我觉得大家都是在进步的，有快有慢而已。
人的创意本来就没有什么价值标准，现在的地球有80亿人，恐怕现在创意本身就是一个廉价的东西。
因此不如说把它具现化的ai让有创意却无处发挥的人们绕过了技术这一门槛，让表达变得多元化，是大功一件。
我坚持优质的ai作品绝对没有反对和禁止的理由，让AI绘图的成果变得更好看这件事本身也是技术之一。

脑子bb完了，该牛子bb了。
这凛真涩啊，真的可以当龙胆的替代品，而且圆了我对于现在的武内老贼又摸鱼又不画涩图的遗憾，感谢po主🙏
赛博催工，老贼！

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能看出来是ai，但不影响这确实很涩，再优化一下基本就可以完全取代竜胆了。真的很期待以后能因此有竜胆画风的动画

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不会有人看Eh还骂ai的版权问题吧

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I am greatly enjoying both the variety and iterative creations you're bringing with this collection. I admire the hustle you put in to helping the whole thing reach that "good enough" territory. I'd personally enjoy seeing more varieties of slime in this selection, but I won't push it. I think I'm going to improve my work with Dezgo and maybe do some clean-up with it and see if that would be a valuable addition to the site. Great work so far wrangling that AI!

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